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07-26-12 07:34 AM - Post#740846
Hi!
I have been playing around with them for a couple of weeks and would like to know if the zombie "grip" is a safe alternative to the clean grip.
With the clean grip I have a tendency to let my chest collapse and the zombie hands eliminate that problem. But I am a bit concerned that I wouldn't be able to dump the bar if something went wrong.
Here is a picture of the zombie position of the hands. I try to keep my arms a bit higher than the bar.
Edited by Hypster on 07-26-12 07:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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asayers99
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07-26-12 08:17 AM - Post#740850
Caveat - This is a guess only. Not even an educated one.
I would think that, that would be more of a teaching tool than a "no shit" training grip. You're looking to get the body mechanics right showing where your hips are supposed to be moving and not really thinking about "holding the bar". With "that" if you have fwd bend the bar is going to roll off.
If you were actually loaded up w\ hundreds of lbs...I think you'd be showing off and adding some unnecessary potential to hurting yourself.
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ledfistaco
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07-26-12 08:42 AM - Post#740851
I have done something like this but never really heavy (maybe 100kg)?
It's kind of like back squatting with no hands. Not so hard if you have the super upright stance.
In either case the bar just wants to sit in the right spot. Again, not smart if done very heavy.
These ladies need to go more upright and sit more between their legs maybe / less back? Once the bar weighs more than you in the FS this matters.
Also, since the best cue I ever learned for the FS was "drive up with the elbows" I am not sure how well this teaching position would help.
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rudd777
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07-26-12 09:08 AM - Post#740854
I've seen this used as a teaching tool. Useful for getting across the idea that the bar is rested on the elevated deltoids and not supported by the hands.
I wouldn't use it with a training weight. Also I know zombies are the new vampires but seem like a strange name. :)
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Dan John
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07-26-12 10:13 AM - Post#740862
This has been used as a teaching tool and I see great value in this. The problem always comes to this with any variation:
What's the goal?
Now, to teach fundamental movement and solid positions, this looks pretty good. Just keep reminding yourself...with any variation...where are we heading. So, this is a good tool and could be ideal for an older client to use the rest of their life, to be honest. If it is a young kid you are teaching the O lifts, maybe one or two sets and then we move along.
Where are we heading with this?
Daniel John
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Boris
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The late JV Askem was a big advocate of them (as a teaching tool). I always called them "JV squats" because I learned them from an article he wrote about them for MILO a while back.
This was a few years back now, but Chris Doyle used to have his new FB players use JV SQ/Zombie SQ until they could demonstrate good positioning and strength with it (I think 100kg x 10 was the baseline) - from there, they would move into other squat variants.
Edited by Boris on 07-26-12 10:24 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Dan John
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07-26-12 10:49 AM - Post#740867
That's right, JV used them a ton...it was his go to teaching tool.
Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...
Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
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Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
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Neander
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Boris
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07-26-12 06:45 PM - Post#740894
That is a great article. I had forgotten about it - thank you! I never met JV Askem, but he is missed.
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07-26-12 06:55 PM - Post#740896
Hard to believe it has been 10 years. I remember he liked the OHS as well.
Boris, Zombie or no hand fronts up to 100kg for sets of 10?
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Boris
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07-26-12 07:57 PM - Post#740902
I think so, but time has a way of distorting numbers (big and small)...
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07-27-12 02:27 AM - Post#740923
My goal? To learn how to squat with a barbell. I want a barbell squat variation that encourages me to use proper form and allows for "heavy"(~BW) weight.
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07-27-12 08:53 AM - Post#740940
If I could do 100kilos for multiple sets of 10 I would be happy.
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DanMartin
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07-27-12 11:04 AM - Post#740955
When trying front squats as a supplement to my wide stance power squats, the thoracic spine discomfort was awful. The Brettzel would have been a godsend.
That said, IMO, the whole point of the front squat was to maintain an upright posture. Thereby taking the load off the hips and shifting it to the quads.
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Neander
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Is that 100 kg. no-hands squats for sets of 10?
Chances are you'd have a visible physical rack-spot on you at that point.
Anyhow, an easy way to confirm Front Squats are a full body movement is not doing them for a month and then going all out just slightly longer than you can mentally stand it, all of a sudden one afternoon.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
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Edited by Neander on 07-27-12 02:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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